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#4695809 Jul 24, 2011 at 01:51 PM
Offler
While I'm sure most will be interested, mainly this is a message for any remaining Virtue people.

Andersnordic, the guild leader who took over on the departure of Skil was the man behind the Norway attacks.

My memories of Anders are very good, and the atrocity was so incredible that I suppose I simply refused to see the pictures as Anders at first.

There is really very little to say...I remember spending hours talking with Anders at night on Vent.

The night I decide to quit WoW we talked a lot, he said he felt the same as me and would soon quit WoW, he didn't.
I wasn't really surprised by that, WoW was like a tonic to his depression. I hoped the best for him and left.

Grettings to any ex-Virtue who remember Offler by the way.
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#4695866 Jul 24, 2011 at 02:12 PM
Guild Leader
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God. No way.





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AUGH AUGH AUGH!
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#4695955 Jul 24, 2011 at 02:50 PM
Offler
He posted a picture of himself on the Virtue forums, and it is being used sometimes in headlines.

I've found this thread on the Nordrassil forums, which also talks about him.

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2423044016
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#4695990 Jul 24, 2011 at 03:01 PM
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Um... Jeez. Shocked.

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#4696268 Jul 24, 2011 at 04:28 PM
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I can`t believe this. The atrocity he commited can`t be explained in words.





Grand Mage Clikz
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AUGH AUGH AUGH!
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#4696361 Jul 24, 2011 at 04:55 PM
Officer
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This is surrealistic, as an Norwegian it is hard to even comprehend what he has done and even harder to fathom his motives. The killer portraited in our news papers and on television seems so far out that it is easiest to judge him as a rabbit psychotic. To know that i have been guilded and chated with him for over a year in Virtue, at least back then he seemed pretty normal, makes this even more uncomprehensible.

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#4697387 Jul 24, 2011 at 09:42 PM
Offler
Hi Oda,

Yes he seemed pretty normal and as I said I liked him, even though we had our disagreements about his harsher
style of stewardship compared to Skil I would have never thought of him as anything bad.

Yet apparently he was planning this even as he played WoW with us.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/0724/breaking7.html

Pretty amazing to think that, really is.

Hope none of your friends/family were hurt Oda, for some reason I though of you as Turkish...I have no idea where I came up with that idea! It has been many years.
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#4698362 Jul 25, 2011 at 01:55 AM
Officer
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Hi Offler, nice to hear from you again.

My friends and family are fine, but Norway isn't bigger than almost all of us know ppl that lost someone or ppl that were close to the tragedy. It has hit Norway hard but so far i think we have handled in a good way.

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#4702141 Jul 25, 2011 at 08:14 PM
Hetrodyne
Hello all

Yes offler I do indeed remember him. He an I had quiet a public barney. I did think he was a jerk and a petty control freak but not true evil as he has shown himself to be. Although I did think of him from time to time in a very negative way, I really did dislike that man.

It has really affected me these last few days how I had contact with someone who was truley a monster. He is a true coward, parking a car bomb, attacking children with a automatic riffle. I do hope he suffers in prison.

On a much much lighter note, good to hear from you offler and Oda, hope you are both doing well. Hi to skill and defy if you read this and any more old heads I may have missed

Take it easy
Simon
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#4705777 Jul 26, 2011 at 01:53 PM
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Oh my. OFFLER! Btw i recognized him from the forums pic too. Its unbelievable.

Can anyone share some memories with me about Anders after he took over Virtue? I left right before that.
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#4707348 Jul 26, 2011 at 07:03 PM
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#4710291 Jul 27, 2011 at 08:43 AM
Offler
Hi Hetrodyne/Simon, Szax, Nagase

Good to hear from you all. I think I remember your issues with Anders, he kicked you out of the guild, very late one night so no one could see as everyone was offline? I think it was down to the lack of attendance or some other such petty issue. Although I could be wrong about this as my memory is not clear about this. I'm also pretty sure it was Szax who spotted it!

I think I had an argument with him about that and tried to get the people he kicked reinstated - can't remember if that succeeded or not. I did not like the idea of kicking anyone out of the guild at all. I know that I was difficult to get along with in terms of how pushy and rude I was but I would have never wanted people kicked out, the more the merrier IMO.
That introduced some poison into the guild atmosphere :/

Yes it is unbalancing to think that you knew someone who could do this, it's unreal.

Szax, you were with us when he was in charge - you raided with us quite a bit, I know you left and came back every now and then but you spent more time with us then away, you had alts that you'd bring raiding with us on farm runs.
As I said I think it was you who spotted the guild kicks and told me.

Nicely summarized Nagase :P

Anyway good to hear from you all!
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#4710820 Jul 27, 2011 at 11:49 AM
Hetrodyne
Hey offler!

No he didnt kick me, he was kicking the inactive members which may not sound a big deal but they had been around since Sky days and it was their pattern to go inactive from time to time. I had just come back after 6 months and he had joined and become GL in that time so he shouldnt have taken it ion himself to kick em, very late at night. It wasnt just that he was quiet arrogant and a bully.

I challenged him on the forum but it really wasnt about him kicking people it was really about him being an unpleasent piece of work, a few people twigged onto that and told me to stop winding him up but i dont think he ever realised he was to envolved with himself. It went on for a couple of weeks and he banned me from the forum although someone later reinstated me very shortly after.

In short I was goading him. I am very pleased that him an I never saw eye to eye on anything.

There is a harrowing story on the BBC showing a text messages between a young girl of 16 who was on the island and her mother. I cant think for one moment what went through that mothers mind thinking any second she wont get a reply. That powerlessness to protect your child when some coward equiped with the latest killing tools is slaughtering people wearing nothing but spedos. No idea no matter how wrapped up in your own world you could be could you posssibly think for one second opion could swing towards your cause after such an act. Not the actions of intelligent social tactition, which he thought he was.

Sometimes when you think how nazi germany and rwanda could have occured you see evidence right next to you
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#4710910 Jul 27, 2011 at 12:16 PM
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Offler, I think i was alting when Defy took over from Skil. I do remember on the kicking marathon tho.
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#4724983 Jul 30, 2011 at 11:02 AM
Cherub
Hi Guys
All I can say is OMG!
How is everyone?

CC
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#4725320 Jul 30, 2011 at 01:48 PM · Edited 6 years ago
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Hola Offler!

And wtf!! I'm shocked to with that..!!!
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#4730694 Jul 31, 2011 at 09:48 PM
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Wow and double wow. I cant believe all I read here and great to see all the old names back, let's catc up soon!!




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#4739943 Aug 02, 2011 at 07:30 PM
Crappin/ Almight
Hey Offler,
I never would of thought it was Anders, not that i knew him well, but i cant believe your still kicking on the net :D
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#4740254 Aug 02, 2011 at 08:39 PM · Edited 6 years ago
Guild Leader
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Bit more time to respond to this thread now, found a half decent net connection while on holiday -_-

Back in Virtue, at the time I valued his "edginess" and constant desire to get things done but we agreed it was best to leave the people management to me, especially when he often aggravated people with his words without even realising. I knew there was always that hardcore side to him to push progression raids, but manageable (with a lot of effort) from a guild perspective while I was around. When I returned from the break, I was disappointed with what was left behind.

I, like many others never thought he was capable of what he did although I guess if I heeded a certain someone's advice maybe I would have detected that extreme nature sooner. Anders must have been deeply depressed to make him 'switch off humanity' and take that lethal cocktail of drugs and steroids to basically push him over the edge (says The Times). I'm shocked still, particularly because the Norwegian culture is so pragmatic and peaceful.

My heart goes out to the families that have to deal with the aftermath. The Norwegian's stoic and dignified response is admirable. No burning flags. No immediate retaliation. No doubt there will be a review of response times but that's for them to resolve internally.

We should all send our best regards to them and wish them well.

On a separate note, while i'm saddened to hear of this news, I am glad to see the return of so many awesome people from my WoW "career" posting on our forums, Mac, Hetro, Offler (Sheep, Sheep, L&Gs, I'm looking for a Sheep!), Valian, Oda, Szaxy, Cherub, Nags, Fanta, Niini, Noc, Beams, Far, forgive me if I missed anyone, true legends to me and I really hope you stay in touch! :)

It would be remiss of me to exclude the current crop of excellent guildies too, there's so many awesome ppl in LL, proud to be a part of it :)

Skil

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#4740301 Aug 02, 2011 at 08:48 PM
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You didnt mention me... I'm upset now. I'll be crying in a corner..... :D

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